Debate Open Thread #1

No one else has done this, so I am opening it up. I am at Town Hall Grill in Chapel Hill and I am REAAAADY!!!!

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Clinton ' s health answer

HI
I dont understand Clinton's position on Health Care: "No money on health care until we fix what we have" ? hmm
Does she mean:
1. No money until the current broken system is working again?
2. No more money for health care until we reform the system?
3. No more money for health care?

Is her answer vague and likely to sound tough on health care ?

This is one of the impt issues to me. I do not know what anyone else wants to do except John Edwards. Too bad this debate did not focus more attention on it.

TurnNCBlue

I was just saying the same thing.

The little Obama-Kucinich tiff made it worse.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Obama

maintained his cool while Kucinich interrupted.

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"Keep the Faith"

Edwards

who is your moral leader.

"My lord." wife dad

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"Keep the Faith"

I thought he should have said...

that he looked to the Lord for guidance, but that his own moral compass blah blah blah.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Yeah, some of the questions

seem like an ambush. But that one is a typical "who do you admire" type of thing. He paused too long, but his answer was fine.
 
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Hillary

Middle Class is invisible to Washington. Great statement.

Biden just complimented everyone. Said any Republican that wanted to face Hillary is making a big mistake.

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"Keep the Faith"

Hillary dissed Edwards

kiss on the cheek to all the candidates except Edwards. he got a small quick handshake.

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"Keep the Faith"

Gravel

said she would nuke Iran!

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"Keep the Faith"

I missed that.

But I've never heard of this guy so it's all kind of surreal to begin with.
 
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Chris Matthews has already decided

Obama was sophisticated.

Now, his analysis that Gravel stole the "bite" from Kucinich. That's for sure.
 
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he seemed

pissed they were so nice to each other.

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"Keep the Faith"

Chris loves Obama anyway

Obama could have been drooling and Chris would have admired it.

I am sure he is a great guy, but I am just not impressed with Obama, but I must admit, I have a problem with his wifes answers during her interview about two weeks ago. Maybe that is just showing.

Edwards did a poor job, but I feel he is the best one to bring America together and takes us into the next 8 years.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Dammit

I can't watch....will have to watch the recording. Please though, will somebody please tell me what Hillary was wearing.....and what about her hair and makeup. Did her nails look fake or real? I mean...I need to know the important stuff.

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gray jacket, black shirt, pearls

and a smile . . . I particularly noticed (after yesterday's post but also) because Matthews actually talked about it in the "pre-show." He said something about it being an issue the women have to deal with. Ha! But acted like she's lucky that she doesn't have to wear charcoal. Then, that's what she wore. It certainly fit in with the guys in the overall look and I think it was good strategy.

Should have noticed and done a whole diary post on the guy's tie colors (Obama in red) and what they mean. As a person now involved with video and what looks good or not on camera, I do notice what people wear and how it comes across. The guys' white shirts don't do well at all. Someone will figure that out and then they'll all be wearing blue shirts. Watch the next debate.

Didn't notice hair or makeup but Mr. DQ did note that Edwards had at least one hair out of place.
 
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pasties. Very tastesful.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

SD, Matthews is now going on and on

about how pretty Obama's wife is. And how people like that Hillary was demure! In pearls (no mention of the pasties, Robert) His fellow wonks seemed a bit taken aback so he said something like we always talk about the men's appearance. Edward's haircut.

Andrea said that was about "authenticity." someone else said "expense accounts."

Then Andrea Mitchell said we never talk about the cut of the men's suits.

Scarborough said you can't attack a woman (he ran against one his first time).

Matthews then mentions the Bush "I kicked her ass" remark that he says did Bush, Sr. no good. I'm not sure about that. The people that didn't like it weren't going to vote for him anyway. It's practically the only ballsy thing he's ever done.
 
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Richardson

just lied.

"No one brought up Darfur." It was brought up almost 5 times by people other than him. Either he was lying or he wasnt listening. Very dishonest answer to a question.

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"Keep the Faith"

Obama's got a southern accent!!!

I kid you not. Just like Hillary, he's speaking to his people after the debate and it's amazing.

"Travelin',"

"bankruptin'"

You should hear it. He's lardin' in on. I expect him to sound like Mad Miss Mattie any minute.

"Univehsitay"

 
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Olberman is excusing it

saying no one can help but talk this way even after half a day.

Tucker is now ripping into Obama as being very unspecific in comparison to Hillary. Saying Hillary is much more well received than Obama here. Mainly because she is talking local details. He's calling Obama "abstract." Talented but abstract.
 
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My thoughts

I was really disappointed in Edwards performance, but then my expectations are pretty high for him. His responses on the priviledge (he can give the 'son of a mill worker' speech so much better) and moral leader (how long of a pause was that?) questions were weak, and on the Hedge Fund question I thought it was a golden oppurtunity to say "because ultimately capitalism is good" or somesuch to just stop any characterization of him as a socialist.

I thought HRC was fine, not great, not terrible, just fine. I think Hillary's response on the VT shooting question encasulated why I can't support her...was that supposed to be an emotional response? Her response to the "mistake" question was probably the best.

I was impressed with Obama, I've been skeptical but I thought he showed a lot more depth to his answers than I expected, I was not converted to drooling fanboy status like so many people seem to be though.

I'm confused as to why Bill Richardson is a Democrat if all he wants to talk about is Guns and why he's so willing to use the military. Also I haven't seen someone shoehorn in their talking points so obviously since Sen. Dole on Meet the Press right before the last election. "I deal with all of this as Governor, because Governor's do stuff like this, they're Executives Governors, which is what I am, a Governor"

Somebody tell Gravel to STFU never mind this grin and put up with it BS.

I thought Biden's one word answer was hilarous, this is the guy everyone says can't shut up. Doesn't matter what the question is I would think that will get so much play. Overall I thought he did well, but he showed he doesnt know when to shut up a few times.

The chief justice question would have been good if implemented better (all candidates got a semi-long response).

Chris Dodd should have left this race yesterday.

I'm going and getting a pocket constitution tomorrow.

I must have watched a different debate.

I thought Obama was awful. I thought Edwards was way underquestioned, way less time than even Gravel. I thought Clinton was full of talking points. Everyone else can go home.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I don't see why you think Obama

was awful. He was vague, tho, and that was your number one thang. Edwards was definitely underquestioned. This time and in 04 it's like corporate media are determined to give him less stature than his numbers deserve.

Clinton didn't screw up and that's why they're calling her a winner. That's always the way for a front-runner.

I can't believe they're saying Biden did well. He's a worm.
 
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I thought Biden did well too

but I didn't previously know much about Biden. I liked the part about how he said we should pay teachers the same as engineers.

I wonder if someone will do the math on how many seconds each candidate got. I hope I run across that.

I burned a DVD of the debate

I'll time it when I have a few spare minutes. :)

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Fightin' words!

Biden's never lied to me in person. One of the other candidates has.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Really?

Who? When?

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Edwards's deputy campaign manager not looking good with Tucker

He needed to shave. Looks too much like a blogger :-p

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

He has a resume NOT like a blogger.

But, he did not deal with Tucker well. Although, Tucker was asking pretty right-wing questions. "So, why does John edwards think beating his wife is okay"
Obviously, not that, but those kind of frames.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

The only professionals with long CVs that don't have to shave...

are professors :-P

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I'm assuming when he was...

Deputy Assistant Sec. of State, Senior Advisor to Clinton during the impeachment, and head of "rural" politics for Clinton nobody minded his beard.

AND, I really like him. But, he let Tucker get to him. Tucker was asking O'Reillyesque questions.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I can't believe I'm having this debate

but that wasn't a beard. If he's started growing a beard, not the best time to start.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

We're discussing appearances

because we all realize it's bad to only discuss appearance when it's a woman. Since most of us (male or female) have no intention to stop discussing the appearances of women, we are now forced to discuss the appearances of men. So, go for it.
 
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Let's not lie to ourselves: Appearances matter

Still, I'm staying away from talking about Hillary's looks.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Well if he just started growing it...

then he just started growing it in December when I met him, and in March when I saw him at hte office, and last week, when I saw him walking through the square.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

He looked a bit unprepared

for television in his appearance (hair can be the toughest thing) but also in his presentation skills. He rushed his phrases and then paused in a jerky manner and stumbled quite a bit for a professional. Yes, like a blogger. It was odd for a campaign of this stature to have someone who doesn't speak comfortably.

I'm also wondering why the Edwards campaign wasn't on MSNBC for an hour. Richardson and Biden and lower level campaigns had much better time slots and better speakers.

But Tucker is a worm and asked really bad questions in a truly ignorant fashion.
 
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effort to remain neutral

I didnt even see Edwards. watching scrubs ranked higher than sitting through another minute of dodd.

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"Keep the Faith"

They all

sounded so much smarter on C-Span radio.

Listening instead of watching was interesting. After looking at some clips, I'm already sick of bunting.
Thought Obama did well. Richardson seemed to be running at a higher RPM than in the past, but that may have hurt him.
Gravel was a lot more interesting without the visual.
Biden had a good line. Now would be a good time for an exit.

I got my pocket constitution from Daniel Pollitt, when I was doing a story on the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights. He insisted. "I have hundreds." It was signed by Bill Clinton in 1992, after a rally in Columbia on the eve of the South Carolina primary.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody



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Great job all!

I had to be at a fundraising event tonight and couldn't catch the rebate. Feel like I was actually there!

My conclusion? No winners.

If you're going to paid fundraisers, you need a rebate

I'm trying to refrain from giving candidates money this quarter.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

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