Dellinger's deceptive press release

The release says, "According to fundraising reports filed today with the State Board of Elections (SBOE), Hampton Dellinger . . . is the financial frontrunner in the Democratic primary for Lt. Governor." Unfortunately for Dellinger, the reports show that the financial frontrunner on 12/31/07 was Walter Dalton, who had more than $904,000 on that date. Dellinger had under $727,000.

Dellinger's claim to have more than $910,000 is based on his cash on hand as of 1/25/08, not 12/31/07. So he is comparing apples and oranges--his cash on 1/25/08 versus others' cash on 12/31/07--but the press release doesn't say that.

Dellinger is talented. But is he ethically fit to hold public office? I hope Democrats who thought of voting for him will drop him, and consider Smathers and Besse.

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quit whining

so let's get this straight.

Dellinger had over 400 unique donors from NC in his year-end report.

Besse had under 200 unique donors. (and has less than 20% of Dellinger or Dalton's cash on hand)

Smathers is a great guy, but blew his money on a Beach Boy concert. Now he has $5K on hand.

At the time of the press release in late January, Dellinger released the amount of cash the campaign had as of that day.

Primaries are "sink or swim". You find a strong candidate who can run a stong campaign on their on.

Dellinger's deceptive press release

You are presumably correct that the press release gives the amount of money that Dellinger had on the day of the release. But the release falsely says, "According to fundraising reports filed today" with SBOE, "Dellinger is the financial frontrunner. . . ." The reports--available on the SBOE website--contradict the release.

Dellinger is pretending to tell us the figures for himself, Dalton, and Besse, all as of December 31. Because of his attempt to mislead, I question his fitness to hold elective office.

I found the release deceptive as well

It's obvious that you do not support Dellinger for LG.

Is there a candidate you do support?

P.S. You forgot to mention Smathers in your post above, who is also a contender in the race for LG. Was that an just an over sight or a deliberate omission?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

He's there.

I hope Democrats who thought of voting for him will drop him, and consider Smathers and Besse.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Oh, sorry.

Missed that in my morning fog.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Dellinger's deceptive press release

I did not forget to mention Smathers. He simply is not mentioned in Dellinger's press release. Smathers is, in fact, my favorite candidate so far. I have heard only good things about him, and he is a terrific speaker. But, having heard only good things about Besse, I've not completely decided between him and Smathers.

Me too neither.

I've told both of them that I wish they could share the office. Or better yet, forget about Perdue and Moore, and have one of them as Governor and one as LG. That would be my dream.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

My name is John Burns

What is yours?

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

He/She has been a member or 5 hours...

Isn't that long enough to engender your trust?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Trust

Spelled backwards is "tsurt" . . . that's about as far as I'm willing to go.

I didn't realize we had implemented a "trust" time limit

for posting comments and diaries. I guess I missed that memo.

Sorry, Robert, I really don't mean to be a smart ass, but when BlueNC is accused of being "clubby" I think this is exactly what they mean.



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Clubby versus Freight Car.

When someone is a member for 5 hours and their two actions are hit-pieces on a candidate, I am left thinking 'sock-puppet' until proven otherwise. I don't see that as clubby. Clubby would be disallowing comments or diaries like this at all. What you are suggesting is that we become a freight car that people can come by and spray with graffiti any old time they want.

Remember that this is a negative post about a campaign I don't even support.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Not a sock puppet

That I'm aware. I'm just suggesting you wait to pass judgment. We are more like a freight car - er...uh...or as we call it...an open forum. Push back is fine, but it can be delivered in a way that doesn't scare people from ever participating.



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I disagree with that.

I think there are certain rules and social mores you have to follow - like not starting an account and making your first comment and diaries attacks on one candidate. We have lots of people who are lurkers and come online for the first time without acting like the person above.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Sure....and we have people

who have also said they were scared the first time they commented. I don't believe we need to start sending the message that you MUST lurk and know the rules (rules...really, we have rules?) before plunging in. That is not and should not be a requirement. We can push back without ugliness and vitriol. That wasn't coming from you obviously....I'm just saying there is a way to send the message that they stepped over the line without scaring them away for good.



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Dellinger's deceptive press release

I understand your reluctance to trust a new member. Your skepticism is healthy--and more voters should be as careful as you are about believing everything they are told. But the campaign reports are available at the website of the State Board of Elections. And the press release presumably is available from the Dellinger campaign.

It's not so much about believing.

Online communities are resilient in some ways, but fragile in others. When someone new shows up with comments challenging a person who is generally well-respected and admired by others, they create a disturbance in the Force. We want new people to post their ideas, but we also want to know their motives. Some campaigns have paid staffers who scour the blogosphere to promote their candidates or criticize opponents. That's why we promote transparency and full disclosure as a community guideline.

However we welcome pseudonymous users

and don't want anyone to think they must expose their identity in order to comment or post a diary. That's not at all what Anglico meant. We encourage/request that paid campaign staffers identify themselves as such. Glad you hung around to respond to the challenges.



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Know this.

We've had people come by and post negative pieces, never to return. BUT, we have also had people jump in with both feet, right into the firing line, and stay around for the long haul. I hope that you will be the latter and come back for more open and honest debate.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Okay, I'm out of things. Will someone tell me what's going on?

I Vote for Honest Candidates posted an anti-Dellinger comment and identical blog entry.

Be Patriotic Vote Democrat and Dr. Frank Lives disagree vehemently. (Are its contents inaccurate?)

Robert P is pissed and got snarky with Dr. Frank who has gotten vehement and snarky about anti-Delliger stuff in the past.

I think (was it Betsy who posted this?) that someone has been posting as different names . . . Is this the case where she caught them and then they threatened her or was that over the Perdue/Moore crap.

Am I in the ballpark?
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

I would say you are batting about .500 which would

get you in the Hall of Fame.

I don't think Robert P. is getting snarky with Dr. Frank; he's backing up Dr. Frank's challenge to the original poster.

The multiple personality guy was caught,IIRC, over some local to Raleigh nursing/medical thing having to do with someone running for GA. kinda. maybe. I think.

The thing is that very little of value has been added to this thread since the first comment, and that was questionable. A poster's newness should not be the issue, the content of his post should be. The implication is that a rookie poster ideas are less worthy, just because he's brought up an inconvenient truth (apparently) about somebody's candidate. When the messenger is attacked through trivialities only, it is that attack which becomes diminished.

Betsy's comment above is spot on.

To the OP: If accurate, Dellinger is playing the political game a bit shadily; we get it. Good job bringing that to our attention. Beating the same drum (it's duplicated information) however, gets old quickly.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

i was just pointing out that anonymity

is easy. Standing behind your arguments isn't always.

I made my factual response to this argument on the other thread.

And Robert P was exactly correct.

As for the PPP poll - take that with a huge MOE and call me in the morning.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

No fair to kick Dellinger while he's down...

Instead, Mr. or Mrs. I vote for honest candidates, I challenge you to share your positive thoughts about Mr. Besse or Mr. Smathers with 10 members of the age demographic each of them is running behind in, according to this weeks PPP poll:

Dan's strongest showing is with the youngest: he's got 29% of the 18-29 year old demographic. But he's only got 8% of 46-65 year olds. Know anyone that falls into that age range? Tap them for us, please.

Pat has 14% among that demographic, but I'm sure he'd appreciate, for instance, if you reached out to someone who is older than 65.

As for the other two, only Dalton broke double digits with any demographic according to the new PPP cross tabs. He's got 11% of the 30 to 45 year olds.

The undecideds in this race are still atrocious! Please support your honest candidates by telling as many someones as possible about them THIS WEEK!

Sounds good, Frank

All this arguing makes my head hurt and enlightens me not at all.
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

It's a little bit funny

that we are spending time nit picking Hampton's press release. There are real policy issues at take in this race, and Dellinger has actually been out front on so many of them (just look at his website, it seems to be the most substantive by far.) My intuition tells me that Dellinger probably played his fundraising in the best light possible. But isn't that what candidates do? (I think Mr. Besse would be more vocal about his own fund raising if he had been a bit more successful)

And the fact remains that Dellinger does have over $900,000 on hand (it take A LOT of resources to communicate to voters in the 9th biggest state in the Union), and as Be Patriotic pointed out above, he has over 400 unique NC donors, and I'm told many of them are in small increments, quite possible more that the other candidates garnered.

is it bad

that I can't read the subject of your comment without hearing Elton John or Ewan McGregor sing it?

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

hahahahaha

h

My gift is my snark, and...

... this one's for you.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Dellinger

Statistics about cash on hand are of questionable value, since the numbers can include loans--even from the candidate (and in Dellinger's case, from his father, who lent $100,000).

But if a candidate is going to brag about cash on hand, I think the candidate shouldn't lie about the numbers.

You are right that there are important issues facing the candidates and the electorate. But we have several progressives running for lieutenant governor, so why should I vote for the one who lies?

I have heard nothing negative about Smathers, and nothing negative about Besse. I heard Smathers give an extraordinary speech, so for the time being he's my candidate. But Besse apparently has a great record on the environment. To me, both he and Smathers deserve consideration. Dellinger does not.

I really does seem like

you are a Dalton fan/volunteer/staffer who is trying to split progressives and let your guy slide into office. Maybe not, that was just my gut reaction (and a lot of other people's i believe) but i'm not trying to add to the much cited "vitriol" on the blog, just sharing my intuition.

By the way, i think everyone on here knows this already, but Dalton thought he could buy this race with lots of corporate donations (i mean, he's co-chair of the senate appropriations committee--he's already in with the folks who buy influence in the legislature every time they get a chance ) and some top-notch paid consultants. He has absolutely no grassroots support that i know of. (maybe he'll grow some, but it's doubtful)

Dellinger, on the other hand, has indeed raised lots of money (very little of which came from business interests; instead he happens to have a lot of friends and acquaintances who believe in his progressive leadership ability). He also, more importantly, has a formidable state-wide grassroots base that is growing every day. Dellinger has "insider" experience at the highest reaches of the executive branch, but he also engenders much support form active folks who are looking for an extremely energetic, intelligent, ethical leader who does have real progressive credentials. Plus, it's great that he knows Raleigh well enough to be able to push our issues succesfully right off the bat

Dellinger's deceptive press release

I am definitely not a Dalton fan. Let's defeat him by getting behind an honest candidate who is a progressive. For now, I'm for Smathers, but I'm open to the idea of supporting Besse.

Cool, i hear you .

sorry if i was getting rough.

having said that

there is nothing wrong with open, frank discussion. But when i get the sense of a "hit job" as someone mentioned earlier that irks me. Hey, if Robert P is standing up against sketchy attacks on HD, I think that carries some credence!

I was going to let this go but Nooooo...

Fact: Dan Besse had more unique in-state donors on his year end report than Dellinger did.

At least 132 of Hamp's 348 (not 400 as is incorrectly repeated above) were out of state donors. And 24 of those were duplicates.

Besse had 199.

Go ahead, check it out.

I've got to admit: this conversation is beginning to bore even me. And I have a feeling that we're going to start embarrassing ourselves real soon (if we haven't already).

Dellinger's people raised a lot of money. Good luck to them.

Me? I've got a feeling that this is a weird year and that there are variables at play that no one has fully sussed out...

Think fast, think well, and expect the unexpected.

I kind of expect the unexpected.

which makes it expected, which makes my head hurt, a little bit.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Way too much for a Monday morning

This is way too much thinking for a Monday morning. Think I will go back to the easy stuff like trying to figure out who I am going to support for Meck Dem Chair or what I should be doing (designing a storm water system for a project in Pineville).

"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy

I'm beginning to think that every year will be a weird year

and we'd better stop relying on how things have been done in the past to guide how we interpret future successes. Larry Kissell proved a lot of people wrong and I think it opened a lot of eyes to what grassroots campaigning can accomplish. Yup...you gotta have money, but maybe not so much as previously believed.

This goes along with Linda's "expect the unexpected" comment.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Ms. Muse I am amazed by what Kissell

did last time around, and I am nearly certain that he'll win this year. But i would point out that district elections are usually easier for one to get him or herself known. I feel like money is less important because the geography and number of people (in the neighborhood of 725,000 per district i believe) allows a grassroots campaign to take steam. But a state-wide election for a not very visible office (us on BlueNC may be paying attention, but most North Carolinians are def. not thinking about the Lt Gov. race) funding is very helpful to communicate the message state-wide (i.e. mail people information about the candidate--how else do ppl decide unless they receive information (through whatever medium)?--b/c most will not or do not have the time to research candidates.)

Oh...you're absolutely right

but all it takes is one person turning convention on its ear for others to latch on to the possibilities and give it a try themselves. Oh and pleeeeease call me Betsy.

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sure thing Betsy.

I too would like money to be less important in races, and i think public finance (and/or lower contribution limits--wouldn't it be great if it were $100; then candidates would HAVE to gain broad support) would be a good step towards that end. As for now, i worst fear is that primary people will be so focused on the presidential(which could come here this year; yayy!) governor, and legislative primaries that Dalton could slip under the radar and get the nomination by doing a bang-up consultant-run media blitz. That's why i'm so keen on getting progressives behind Dellinger. It's not like a lesser-of-the-two evils thing between Dellinger and Besse. Both are great progressives! Dellinger just seems like the most well-rounded of the two and the most able to represent us and push progressive issues in Raleigh. (icing on the cake is that he's do fantastic in the general election, even if the top of the ticket somehow hurts Democrats)

I just looked, and Dellinger

I just looked, and Dellinger had 415 "unique" donors from "NC". They were donors from all across the state.

It is crazy to think that a candidate has supporters outside of North Carolina. What if they decide to bring additional money and/or jobs to our state in the future?

What about the donors that have worked with him in the past, and saw how well he worked with others in order to get things accomplished? Does that mean that he actually works as a team in order to implement action items?

By the way, how much did those films cost to make Bull Doc? I couldn't remember seeing those numbers anywhere?

Dellinger has a lot of support

The man went to Michigan undergrad and Yale Law, where he was editor of the Law Journal. He has wealthy friends across the country, and from what i hear, extremely progressive ones at that. His dad was a top official in the Clinton administration and his mom is one of the most respected professors at UNC and has been working on civil rights, reproductive rights and education issues for decades.

Is it Dellinger's fault that he is part of a widely-known, well-liked family with unassailable progressive credentials? Is it his fault he grew up surrounded by a strong ethos of public service and then became friends with successful individuals around the country he met during his schooling?

I think his broad outlook and national contacts could really help our state, not hurt it.

I think his campaign has been hurt by an unwillingness

to acknowledge the other more progressive candidates in the race (Besse, Smathers), and by supporters who have been downright nasty to supporters of those candidates on this forum.

Dellinger may well have the broad base of support you speak of, but he doesn't have mine because he trumpets his fundraising as the first reason he should be supported, and his campaign style leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

i think you're right on a couple of those accounts

but i also think he really doesn't want to see Dalton take this, and Dalton, after all, is raising a lot of money (and will be trying even harder now, because that's his only chance). so it makes some sense that Dellinger is aiming most of fire at him. Plus, i think Hampton likes Dan and Pat personally and probably finds it harder to go after them; Dalton is easier to dislike. Just my hunch.

I don't think he's saying the money is why you should vote for him, but he is saying he has the ability to raise the cash nessesary (in the current environment) to beat dalton--no easy task--and to win in the general. That should not take away from his progressive credentials though. It just means he's got dual strengths: fundraising and grassroots support on the issues.

NARAL endorsed him for a reason.

Every email I've gotten from him

I think, anyway, has started off with telling me how much money he has raised. And yes, it is important to be able to raise money in a political race. If he can raise so much money, then I guess he doesn't need my support.

It's also important to be able to engage with voters in a positive way - something which both Smathers and Besse have done more successfully than Dellinger, in my opinion.

NARAL may have endorsed him for a reason, but the NC Progressive Democrats endorsed Besse for a reason, too. Ideas are as important as currency, and engagement with the voters is important. Dan Besse knows who I am, and responds when I have a question in a non-condescending way. Pat Smathers does the same. With Dellinger, I'm just another voter. I don't know if I'm making sense or not, but of the three men who claim the soul of a progressive in this race, only two actually show it, and only one really has the creds. Besse is the true progressive; Smathers is the true populist. I would be happy with either one in the office.

Dalton actually won points from me when I went back and researched his record on progressive programs like Smart Start and other family support and early childhood programs. He was "pro" this kind of thing before Jim Hunt made it fashionable. He might be the establishment candidate, but he's got some decent Democratic credentials, so I've got to cut him some slack.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

i got you

And thanks for laying your feeling about the candidates out there in an honest way. I have to admit I have seen a very different Hampton than you describe, but I am sorry he came off in a bad way to you. Maybe he can try to make up for that, if you'll let him :) And the emails...i got them also and thought a couple might have been a tad crass, but i wouldn't read too much into that; they might have been hastily written up and not conveyed the intended tone.

I implore anyone reading all the negative commentary about Mr. Dellinger to keep an open mind. I've seen so many people around the state really excited and inspired by Hampton. I've also seen that for Pat and Dan, too. Everyone's got to come down somewhere, and I happen to have settled on Dellinger, but i respect very much the others, too.

What you say about Dalton may be true; being in the senate for so long i bet he did vote progressively on some issues. He is indeed a democrats, albeit a pretty conservative one.

The thing that really ticks me off though is that i have seen him so few times out at events (or heard about him attending) that he seems to be a running a default incumbent/paid-media kind of campaign. The debates that he does come to he looks angry and annoyed to have to be there to talk to us, and as far as grassroots events (HK on J, NC Progressives , MLK day events, Black history month, democratic women, etc) no Dalton to be found. I'm not a hater, just being honest with myself and ervyone else.

See, that's just it.

And the emails...i got them also and thought a couple might have been a tad crass, but i wouldn't read too much into that; they might have been hastily written up and not conveyed the intended tone.

Dellinger is essentially applying for a job. Why would I hire someone for a job when he sends out hastily written up emails that don't convey what he means? Or worse - what if that is what he meant, and you're just rationalizing it because you like him. (I like him personally, too, he seems like an ok guy.

What you say about Dalton may be true; being in the senate for so long i bet he did vote progressively on some issues. He is indeed a democrats, albeit a pretty conservative one.

What I say about Dalton is true. And the programs I'm talking about - like the Family Resource Center in Rutherford County - is one of the models of service provision for families in need. Smart Start, which he really did support from its infancy, is a model not only around NC but around the whole US as a wholistic way to approach the education of very young children. It seems institutional to us now, but at its inception in 1993, it was a very progressive idea, and progressive ideas still come out of this initiative. So while Dalton is the establishment candidate, and might seem conservative to many, he is a good Democrat, better than any Republican would ever be, and should not be torn down for not being as leftie as some of us would like to see.

No, he hasn't come to as many events as some of us would like, but who knows why that is? He did come to 2 College Dem debates, and was treated rather rudely by Dellinger, if the video is to be believed.

The 4 men that are running for LG need to treat each other with respect while pointing out their differences. Smathers, Besse, and even Dalton, have been able to do this. Dellinger seems to treat this race as a win at any cost court case, and it just rubs me the wrong way.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

P.S. i like it when

you and others respond to my posts b/c i feel sometimes like since i haven't been blogging for too long and am not really "part of the club" people ignore my stuff. And i like to hear critiques and criticisms of my thinking. sometimes it causes me to change my stances. And it's fun to have some back-and-forth. thanks!

Oh, one post, and you're in!

No free passes here. :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

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